Agenda and minutes

Apologies for absence were received on behalf of Cllr Adje for whom Cllr Lister was substituting, Cllr Hare for whom Cllr Aitken was substituting and from Cllr Weber for whom Cllr Newton was substituting. 

The Chair will consider the admission of any late items of urgent business.  Late items will be considered under the agenda item where they appear.  New items will be dealt with at item 10 below.

New items of exempt business will be dealt with at item 16 below.  Late items will be considered under the agenda item where they appear.  New items will be dealt with at item 16.

In accordance with standing order 32 (6) no business other than that listed shall be transacted at the meeting.

A member with a personal interest in a matter who attends a meeting of the authority at which the matter is considered must disclose to that meeting the existence and nature of that interest at the commencement of that consideration, or when the interest becomes apparent.

A member with a personal interest in a matter also has a prejudicial interest in that matter if the interest is one which a member of the public with knowledge of the relevant facts would reasonably regard as so significant that it is likely to prejudice the member's judgement of the public interest.

Cllr Newton declared an interest in the decision to be taken under agenda item 11.  He stated that objections to the proposal had been received on behalf of local ward Councillors and as a ward Councillor he had made no such objections.

Cllr Bevan declared an interest in the decision to be taken under agenda item 9.  “I am on the Board of The Lea Valley Park Authority, but have no involvement with the planning committee of The Park Authority.  My position is that I genuinely believe that I have only a personal interest.  However, as the Park planning committee have submitted a very strong and definitive statement objecting to this application, I will not take any part in this application.  This is a matter of caution and to avoid any possible controversy concerning public perception on this occasion”.

Cllr Lister declared an interest in item 15, as it is in his ward.  “Myself and fellow Cllrs have received no approaches on this application”.

To consider receiving deputations and/or petitions in accordance with Standing Order 37

None received.

To confirm and sign the Minutes of the PASC held on 11 September 2006.

RESOLVED:

That the minutes of the Planning Application Sub Committee meeting held on 11 September 2006 were agreed.

Appeal decisions determined during August 2006.

Members raised concern that the appeal for 417 Green Lanes N4, had been lost due to errors in the planning procedure.  Officers confirmed this was not the case as the Inspector had heard the evidence and felt in his view that there was no new material change of the use and that it was still a café and not a social club.

RESOLVED

That Members note the report.

Officers presented the report and requested Members to endorse the commencement of a programme of public consultation on draft conservation area character appraisals.

It was highlighted to Members that Government advice expressed that it was good practice for local planning authorities to adopt and publish up to date conservation area character appraisals to:

·        define the special architectural or historic interest that warrants their designation. 

·        Assist in the management of conservation areas.

·        Useful in the enforcement and development control function.

This was now the subject of a best value performance indicator, BV219, against which the Council’s performance was to be measured.

The Borough currently had 28 conservation areas and the programme of publishing draft character appraisals would start on the 9 conservation areas in Tottenham, followed by consultation on character appraisals for Muswell Hill and Crouch End conservation areas.   Members were requested to approve the programme of consultation with a view to future adoption.

Members raised concern that consersation areas were currently being ruined by the demand and installation of cross-overs.  Few houses were protected by the 1 metre high front garden wall rule.  Members requested that as part of the conservation area character appraisals and boundary reviews that the introduction of article 4 directions be included.

RESOLVED

That members agreed to the recommendation in the report.

In accordance with Sub Committee's protocol for hearing representations; when the recommendation is to grant planning permission, two objectors may be given up to 6 minutes (divided between them) to make representations.  Where the recommendation is to refuse planning permission, normally no speakers will be heard.  For items considered previously by the sub committee and deferred, where the recommendation is to grant permission, one objector may be given up to 3 minutes to make representations.  Where the recommendation is to refuse permission, normally no speakers will be heard.

The Chair moved that there be a varation to the order of the agenda.  The applicants for agenda item 15, had requested their application be heard earlier due to it being Ramadan and their request to participate in evening prayers at 7:52pm and 8:45pm.  Members agreed to vary the order of the agenda and take item 15 after item 12.

RESOLVED

That the decisions of the Sub Committee on the planning applications and related matters be approved or refused with the following points noted.

Provisions of 4 business barges and associated mooring facilities, landscaping and associated parking.  RECOMMENDATION: Grant permission subject to conditions.

Members were requested to defer the consideration of this application.  The Council had received additional information which needed to be assessed by officers so that they could make further recommendations to the Committee.  Until such time as that information was given to the Committee, the Committee were not in a position to properly consider the application.

RESOLVED

That Members agreed to the application being deferred.

Erection of pre-treatment and bromate removal facility comprising  four new buildings:-i) pre-treatment building.ii) chemical storage and dosing building iii) catalytic GAC building/structure and iv) washwater recovery building/structure:

Associated plant and machinery and new access arrangements to the site including constructions of temporary crossings of New River for construction traffic and extension of estates road from within New river Village ( New River Avenue N8) for delivery vehicles only.

RECOMMENDATION: To grant planning permission subject to a section 106 and agreement and planning conditions and subject to referral to the Greater London Authority who have 14 days in which to decide whether or not to direct refusal. 

Officers presented the report by advising the Committee that this application was for a water treatment plant to ensure that clean water was maintained for this part of London.  The applicant would be required to enter into a Section 106 legal agreement with contributions of additional planting within Alexandra Palace grounds to screen views from the palace and park, improvement to Penstock Path and a contribution to the Play scheme.  Members were also asked to note that the application had to be submitted to GOL for approval. 

Objectors spoke on behalf of local residents who felt the water treatment works need not be located at this site.  However they appreciated there was a requirement for a treatment plant and had found an alternative site in Enfield.  Thames Water however disputed this as it was too small for a treatment plant.  Members were also advised that the previous application had been refused on the ground of design and that this had not been changed in this application.  Concerns were raised on the poorly displayed montages and  contested the accuracy of the designs in that computer graphics could distort and misinterpret open spaces.

Cllr Gorrie also spoke on behalf of local residents as he had attended the Development Forum meeting.  He raised concern over access to the site by large construction vehicles and chemicals being delivered via New River Village which would reduce the attractiveness of the visual amenity.

The applicant’s representative advised the Committee that this was the third application submitted and that they believed was the most acceptable.  Thames Water had a statutory duty to develop and maintain water supply in the area and that the current proposal would ensure that improved clean water was provided and maintained for this part of London.   There were special circumstances for this proposal which had addressed the previous reasons for refusal.

The Chair moved a motion to grant the application.  Members voted 4 in favour, 2 against and 3 abstentions.   The application was agreed, subject to it being referred to the GLA and GOL and subject to conditions and Section 106 legal agreement.

INFORMATION RELATING TO APPLICATION REF: HGY/2006/1298

FOR PLANNING APPLICATIONS SUB COMMITTEE DATED 28/09/2006

Location: Hornsey Water Treatment Works, Newland Road N8

Proposal Erection of pre-treatment and bromate removal facility comprising four new buildings - i) pre-treatment building; ii) chemical storage and dosing building; iii) catalytic GAC building/structure; and iv) washwater recovery building/structure; associated plant and machinery and new access arrangements to the site including construction of temporary crossings of New River for construction traffic and extension of estate road from within New River Village (New River Avenue, N8) for delivery vehicles only.

Recommendation  GRANT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND SECTION 106 LEGAL AGREEMENT

Decision GRANT SUBJECT TO REFERENCE TO GLA AND GOL AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND SECTION 106 LEGAL AGREEMENT

Drawing No.s : Report: Planning Application Supporting Statement:

Site Plan.  9PWD/A1/5051/EX A;9PWD/A1/5053/EX A : 9PWD/A1/5056/EX A; 9PWD/A1/5O52/EX A; 9PWD/A1/5054/EX A. A9PWD/A1/5081/EX A. 9PWD/A1/5080/EX A. 9PWD/A1/05061/EX A. 9PWD/A1/05060/EX A. 9PWD/A1/05059/EX  ...  view the full minutes text for item 66.

The proposal is for the erection of a replacement 2 storey mosque with dome, minaret and one 1 bedroom flat. The mosque will be 2 storeys above ground level and include a basement floor below ground level.  The building will have a main roof height of 8 metres, which matches the height of the two storey terrace dwellings on Collingwood Road.  The dome on the Clyde Road frontage will have a maximum height of 13 metres.  The minaret on the corner of Clyde Road and Collingwood Road will have a maximum height of 16.8 metres.  No car parking on site is proposed.  RECOMMENDATION: Grant permission subject to conditions.

The Chair requested a further variation in the order of the agenda and moved that item 15 should be considered next in order for the applicants to be able to attend their next prayers at 8:45pm.

Officer presented the report and informed the Committee that this application site had been used since 1986 by the Islamic Community Centre for religious and educational purposes.  It was considered that the proposed mosque would fit in with the surrounding buildings and the dome and minaret would provide architectural features which would lift the appearance of the building and the amenity of the area.

Objectors raised issues around parking in the area of the proposed development.  There was currently a controlled parking zone in operation around the site.  The current building was used by people who came into the area and not solely by local people.  This would have an impact on parking as the proposal did not include the provision of parking spaces.  Concern was also raised regarding calls to prayer from the minaret.

The applicant confirmed there seemed to be confusion over this application as it was not an application for a mosque but for the Islamic Community Centre for use by women and young people.  The dome was a small cap on top of the gate and the minaret was a symbol and would not be used to call people to prayer. 

The Chair moved a motion to agree the recommendations to grant the application.  On a vote there being 6 for, 1 against and 1 abstention the motion was carried.  The application was granted subject to conditions.

INFORMATION RELATING TO APPLICATION REF: HGY/2005/0824

FOR PLANNING APPLICATIONS SUB COMMITTEE DATED 28/09/2006

Location: 115 Clyde Road N15 4JZ

Proposal Demolition of existing mosque and erection of replacement 2 storey mosque with dome, minaret and two 1 bedroom flats.

Recommendation  GTD

Decision GTD

Drawing No.s CRM 01; CRM 012rA

Conditions and/or Reasons

1.             The development hereby authorised must be begun not later than the expiration of 3 years from the date of this permission, failing which the permission  shall be of no effect.

                Reason: This condition is imposed by virtue of the provisions of the Planning & Compulsory Purchase Act 2004 and to prevent the accumulation of  unimplemented planning permissions.

2.             The development hereby authorised shall be carried out in complete accordance with the plans and specifications submitted to, and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority.

                Reason: In order to ensure  the development is carried out in accordance with the approved details and in the interests of amenity.

3.             Samples of all materials to be used in conjunction with the proposed development for all the external surfaces of buildings hereby approved, areas of hard landscaping and boundary walls shall be submitted to, and approved in writing by, the Local Planning Authority before any works commence on site. Samples should include sample panels or brick and wood types combined with a schedule of the exact product references.

                Reason: In order for the Local  ...  view the full minutes text for item 67.

Demolition of existing house and erection of 2 x 2 storey three bedroom houses. RECOMMENDATION: Grant permission subject to conditions.

Officers presented the report and advised the Committee that this was the second application to be presented.  The two houses would give a density of 153hrh making the proposal a low density scheme.  Access was from Woodside Avenue and deemed to be adequate.  It was considered that the loss of privacy and amenity space of adjoining properties would be minimal as this was a revised scheme. 

Objectors raised concern regarding the paved road known as the alleyway or walkway which would be used to gain access.   Cars would find it difficult to pass down this road and there was no pavement for pedestrians. 

Cllr Whyte addressed the Committee in support of the objectors and requested Members to consider the following points:

• The suitability of the access route
• Loss of amentity
• Adverse effects on the allotments and open space.
• The design of the new application had changed and the height of the new property was higher than that refused last year.

The applicant then responded to the points raised above by stating that the previous scheme was refused and that the current application was supported by the Council.  The building would be on private property, not excessively high and away from the access road.  This application fell within the Council’s policy as the Council sought to encourage development of under used sites with a minimum impact to surrounding dwellings.

The Chair moved a motion to agree the recommendation stated in the report.  On a vote there being 9 for and 0 against the motion was carried.

INFORMATION RELATING TO APPLICATION REF: HGY/2006/1314

FOR PLANNING APPLICATIONS SUB COMMITTEE DATED 28/09/2006

Location: 87 Woodside AvenueN10 3HF

Proposal Demolition of existing house and erection of 2 x 2 storey three bedroom houses

Recommendation  GTD

Decision GTD

Drawing No.s 0541_00_001, 200c, 201c, 210a, 211b, 212a, 213

Conditions and/or Reasons

1.             The development hereby authorised must be begun not later than the expiration of 3 years from the date of this permission, failing which the permission  shall be of no effect.

                Reason: This condition is imposed by virtue of the provisions of the Planning & Compulsory Purchase Act 2004 and to prevent the accumulation of  unimplemented planning permissions.

2.             The development hereby authorised shall be carried out in complete accordance with the plans and specifications submitted to, and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority.

                Reason: In order to ensure  the development is carried out in accordance with the approved details and in the interests of amenity.

3.             Notwithstanding the description of the materials in the application, no development shall be commenced   until precise details of the materials to be used in connection with the development hereby permitted have been submitted to, approved in writing by and implemented in accordance with the requirements of the Local Planning Authority.

                Reason: In order to retain control over the external appearance of the development in the interest of the visual amenity of the area.

4.             The construction works of the development hereby granted shall not be carried out before  ...  view the full minutes text for item 68.

Installation of multi-use games area within school grounds including surfacing, fencing (maximum height 3.6m at goal ends), goal end units and access path.  RECOMMENDATION: Grant permission subject to conditions.

The Chair again requested a further variation in the order of the agenda and moved that item 14 should be considered next as there were no representations to be made for this application.

Officers presented the report for this application and outlined the proposal for the installation of a multi-use games area within the existing school grounds including surfacing, fencing, goal end units and access path.

Members questioned the absence of flood lighting in this development.  Officers advised that it was not an area they would wish to see flood lights as the site was within the school grounds and fairly close to housing at the rear.  The intention was for the games area to be used by the school rather than for commercial letting to other organisations.

Members agreed unanimously to grant the application subject to conditions as outlined in the report.

INFORMATION RELATING TO APPLICATION REF: HGY/2006/1242

FOR PLANNING APPLICATIONS SUB COMMITTEE DATED 28/09/2006

Location: Coldfall Primary School, Coldfall Avenue N10 1HS

Proposal Installation of multi-use games area within school grounds including surfacing, fencing (maximum height 3.6m at goal ends), goal end units and access path

Recommendation  GTD

Decision GTD

Drawing No.s P320-L00, L01, L02, D01, D02

Conditions

1.             The development hereby authorised must be begun not later than the expiration of 3 years from the date of this permission, failing which the permission  shall be of no effect.

                Reason: This condition is imposed by virtue of the provisions of the Planning & Compulsory Purchase Act 2004 and to prevent the accumulation of  unimplemented planning permissions.

2.             The development hereby authorised shall be carried out in complete accordance with the plans and specifications submitted to, and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority.

                Reason: In order to ensure  the development is carried out in accordance with the approved details and in the interests of amenity.

3.             Details of measures for protecting all trees shown to be retained as part of this development, including the erection of exclusion fencing at appropriate distances from the stems of such trees, shall be submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority prior to the commencement of development. No storage of materials, supplies, plant or machinery shall take place within such protected areas.

Reason: In order to ensure the safety and well being of the trees on the site during constructional works that are to remain after building works are completed.

4.             The multi use games area shall only be used in conjunction with and ancillary to the use of Coldfall School as an educational establishment; and shall not be used before 0800 hours to after 2000 hours Monday to Fridays, or before 0800 hours or after 1830 hours Saturdays and Sundays. Further no floodlighting or other artificial lighting shall be installed without the submission of an application for planning permission.

                Reason: In order not to detract from the amenities of nearby residents.

REASONS FOR APPEAL

                The proposed Multiuse Games Area would be situated in excess of 10 metres from the nearest  ...  view the full minutes text for item 69.

Erection of a single storey three bedroom dwelling and removal of a Red Horse Chestnut Tree that is subject to a Tree Preservation Order. RECOMMENDATION: Grant permission subject to conditions.

Officers presented the report highlighting the issues regarding this application.  It was considered that there would be little impact on the open nature of the site or views of the site from the outside.  The scheme has a density of 62hrh, given the number of mature trees on the site, this density was considered to be appropriate in this backland location.  Conditions would be imposed to include details of the site compound.

The Committee heard representations from objectors who stated there were serious omissions in the report for this backland development.  The property development impacted on the amenity of neighbours and was completely out of character with the surrounding conservation area.  The gardens on Talbot Road are short and slope upwards.  The access road was already used by a significant number of vehicles and therefore not safe.

Cllr Williams addressed the Committee and raised concerns regarding the three trees on the site which were of historical import and subject to Tree Preservation Orders.  He requested the Committee to add a condition to protect the trees during construction works.  He also raised concern regarding the access of utility services to reach the site. 

The applicant addressed the Committee by giving a personal statement of her commitment to the conservation area and the site.  The trees on the site were important and there was no desire to damage them in any way.  There was also a commitment to comply with the conditions imposed. 

Members questioned whether it was possible for a vehicle to turn in the lane and were advised it was possible dependent upon the way other cars were parked.  The Committee also enquired whether the rear of a resident’s garden constituted a backland site.  Members were informed that it was not a true backland site.

The Chair moved a motion to agree the recommendation.  On a vote there being 6 for, 2 against and 1 abstention, the motion was carried.  The application was granted subject to conditions.

INFORMATION RELATING TO APPLICATION REF: HGY/2006/0001

FOR PLANNING APPLICATIONS SUB COMMITTEE DATED 28/09/2006

Location:  Rear of 6 Church Road N6

Proposal:  Erection of a single storey three bedroom dwelling and removal of a Red Horse Chestnut Tree that is subject to a Tree Preservation Order.

Recommendation: Grant subject to conditions.

Decision  An appeal for non determination has been received.   The Council is not able to make a decision once an appeal has been lodged but  would have approved the application subject to the conditions below if an appeal had not been lodged.

Drawing No.s 148/001 Rev B &  148/002B.

Conditions:

1.             The development hereby authorised must be begun not later than the expiration of 3 years from the date of this permission, failing which the permission  shall be of no effect.

                Reason: This condition is imposed by virtue of the provisions of the Planning & Compulsory Purchase Act 2004 and to prevent the accumulation of  unimplemented planning permissions.

2.             The development hereby authorised shall be carried out in complete accordance with the plans and specifications  ...  view the full minutes text for item 70.

Change of use of property to police patrol base (sui generic) with associated installation of CCTV cameras, window guards and replacement entrance gates.  RECOMMENDATION: Grant permission subject to conditions.

This application was not considered and deferred to the next meeting.

To consider any items admitted at item 2 above.

There were no items of urgent business submitted.

Members, applicants and objectors are requested please to bring their diaries in the event that a site visit needs to be arranged.

None requested.

Special PASC Thursday 12 October 2006 at 7:00pm.

Special PASC, Thursday 12 October 2006 at 7:00pm.

The meeting ended at 10:30pm.