A number
of guests were introduced to the
Panel:
- Pip Canons –
CEO, Community Catalysts
- Natasha Benn –
Interim Chair, Joint Partnership Board
(JPB)
- Amanda Jacobs –
JPB Member
- Lourdes Keever
– JPB Member
- Cathy Stasny - JPB
Member
- Dan Rogers –
CEO, Public Voice CiC
- Jano Goodchild -
Participation and Co-production Manager, Public Voice CiC
- Rachel Sanders
– Project Officer, Public Voice CiC
- Phil Stevens –
CEO, Disability Action Haringey
Dan Rogers, CEO of Public Voice
CiC, began the introduction of the
report, informing the Panel that Public Voice was a
voluntary/community sector organisation contracted to facilitate
the Joint Partnership Board (JPB). The JPB provided a forum where
commissioners and advisers of services and residents worked
together on service improvements and facilitated co-production. The
JPB also facilitated a set of reference groups that represented
seldom heard people, including a carers group, an older
person’s group and a disabled person’s group. The
reference groups developed their agendas and worked together on
important issues. The Chairs/co-Chairs of the reference groups then
worked together the JPB to discuss issues that were having an
impact on the wider community and inequalities. In 2024,
a number of JPB members requested a
strategic review of the function of the JPB, including
strengthening the governance of the Board and representation of the
community.
Pip Canons, CEO of Community
Catalysts, explained that they had helped to facilitate a process
that would enable everyone to have their voices heard and to
co-produce some priorities for action. Prior to Community Catalysts
joining there had been an initial independent review carried out by
the Public Health team. Community Catalysts were then asked to look
at the findings of that review and involve the JPB reference groups
to build on those recommendations. The process had been thorough
with enthusiastic engagement which represented an opportunity to
embed an important citizen voice within the governance structure
and help make improvements to services. The process looked at
issues through a ‘live well’ lens and an ‘age
well’ lens leading to specific recommendations:
- Improve and embed
co-production principles and approaches.
- Governance and
accountability – including stronger links with key governance
structures within the Council and the NHS in
order to effect real change.
- Improve functioning
of JPB – by ensuring that it has the right structure, roles
and resources to be fit for purpose and enable people to fully
participate.
- Inclusion and wider
community reach – it was felt that there was a particular gap
around learning difficulties and mental health where additional
engagement was required to ensure that these groups were
represented. Reaching out to marginalised groups was also an
important element of inclusion, such as by producing materials in
the right formats and in appropriate languages.
A series of questions then
followed from the Panel:
- Cllr Peacock
commented that she was involved with the largest pensioners group
in the Borough and suggested that this group be included in the
engagement process as it had not been included in the list of JPB
connections in the slides. Pip Canons explained that the
illustration of connections had been put together as part of a
workshop to map out the JPB members, reference groups and other
connected organisations. However, they would ensure that the
pensioners group was added to this. (ACTION)
- Helena Kania
commented that the JPB was always about health needs, not just
social care, and so she felt that NHS services and public health
needed to be emphasised more clearly that was currently set out in
the list of JPB priorities. Cllr Connor noted that page 175 in the
main agenda pack made reference to
“explore NHS/partner attendance at reference
groups” and also to
“explore wider Council attendance at reference
groups”, emphasising the importance of having a strong
ask on the involvement of relevant partners. Jano Goodchild,
Participation and Co-production Manager, Public Voice CiC, commented that there had been some good health
partnerships, but they had struggled recently following the recent
changes at the ICB. However, there was now involvement through the
Autism reference group, some of the Age Well team from the ICB were
involved with the Older Person’s reference group, and there
were also connections through the Dementia reference group,
including the Memory Clinic. There were ongoing discussions on the
opportunities to raise the voices of residents through the
neighbourhood structures. Cllr Connor proposed a recommendation
from the Panel to strongly support the efforts to encourage
statutory partners to be actively involved with the reference
groups including, health, public health, mental health and the
local authority. (ACTION)
- Lourdes Keever, JPB
Member, emphasised the need to formalise co-production with the
rest of the voluntary sector and for the JPB to do more of this.
Cllr Connor added that the governance structure was an important
part of this as it would enable the testing of co-production, the
measuring of outcomes and appropriate support from the Council. She
also noted the reference on page 173 of the agenda pack on the
accountability of the JPB in the terms of reference to Adult Social
Care, the ICB and the Adults & Health Scrutiny Panel. Lourdes
Keever also noted the intention to link into the Health and
Wellbeing Board.
- Natasha Benn, Interim
Chair of the JPB, reported that there had been a focus on the
practical requirements to achieve the objectives, including the
links required for true co-production and the development of the
historic relationships through the reference groups.
- Jano Goodchild,
Participation and Co-production Manager at Public Voice
CiC, informed the Panel that a
task-and-finish group had been set up to work through the actions
outlined in the Review. In addition, job descriptions had been
developed for the chair of the JPB and the chairs of the reference
groups (including the agreement of reimbursements), a code of
conduct had been agreed and there had been discussions on enhancing
the diversity of the reference groups.
- Jo Baty emphasised
that the presence of eight reference groups provided a valuable
infrastructure have long-term conversations with people who really
understood what residents needed within each of those different
groups. The aim was to build new voices and engage with new
communities while maintaining strong relationships with those who
had been involved for a long time. She felt that there had been
progress on finding common ground between the Council’s
priorities and the JPB’s priorities and the next stage would
be to develop tangible actions and the Council being held to
account on its improvement journey.
- Cllr Connor asked
about improving the attendance levels of the Learning Disability
and Mental Health reference groups. Lourdes Keever said that there
had previously been some effective advocates for learning
disabilities but recently there had not been the resource available
to hire them. Natasha Benn added that the availability of funds was
a crucial factor in enabling advocacy as well as meeting other
accessibility needs such as BSL (sign language) support. Funding
also impacted on communications requirements such as social media
engagement and maintaining a website.
- Phil Stevens, CEO of
Disability Action Haringey, commented that, having worked across
a number of Boroughs, the JPB was unique
and that there should be pride in what had been developed. He noted
that the JPB could help to share insight across Council
Directorates, but the only funding was being provided from Adult
Social Care and that other Directorates could be asked to
contribute given that the funding was currently inadequate. He
explained that the reason that there was not currently a deaf
reference group was because the expense of interpretation was so
significant. Sara Sutton reiterated the financial challenges faced
by the Council as discussed earlier in the meeting and explained
that the source of the funding was the Better Care Fund (BCF) which
was an integrated pot between health and adult social care.
However, she acknowledged that there could be a bigger ask from
health partners so there could be further conversations about
exploring wider partnership opportunities around funding. Cllr
Connor indicated that the Panel supported that approach.
(ACTION)
- Amanda Jacobs, JPB
Member, expressed concern that some groups of people in the Borough
could not be included in the process due to the cost of involving
them. On another matter, she explained that a group including some
JPB members which had looked at Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN)
issues, had now become a wider Transport Inclusion group which
looked at various accessibility issues. This group had been
disbanded without consultation in June with a view to a successor
group being set up. However, progress on this had since been
halted. Cllr das Neves commented that she had previously attended
some of these meetings and her understanding was that the group
would be reformulated. She suggested that this concern could be
formally raised with the Culture, Community Safety and Environment
Scrutiny Panel which had responsibility for transport issues. Cllr
Connor agreed that this concern would be passed on to the Chair of
that Panel. (ACTION)
- Cllr Brennan queried
whether there would be a formalised mechanism for engagement with
the Council. Natasha Benn agreed that the aim was to identify key
partners and establish a formal process to ensure that they were
present at key meetings and events. This was already happening with
some of the reference groups, though there were still some gaps.
She added that support from the Panel in this regard would be
welcome. Cllr Connor emphasised that the Panel was fully supportive
of positive engagement and co-production. Cllr Lucia das Neves,
Cabinet Member for Health, Social Care and Wellbeing, commented
that she was supportive of the previous suggestion to link the JPB
to the Health and Wellbeing Board which she chaired. She noted that
this would be a thematic space to follow the Health and Wellbeing
Strategy and to discuss cross-Borough issues.
- Lourdes Keever
commented that Public Voice had done a lot of work on the
‘theory of change’ which she hoped would help to
influence the outcomes that were arrived at and to develop
monitoring processes based on co-production. Cllr Connor agreed
with this, expressing the Panel’s support for the monitoring
of outcomes and suggesting that progress towards these outcomes
could be brought back to the Panel at a future meeting.
(ACTION)
- Cllr Iyngkaran
commented that the Council had sometimes struggled to reach some
communities in the Borough and asked if the JPB had ideas of how
this could be achieved. Referring to the previous concerns about
the prohibitive costs of engaging with certain groups such as the
deaf community, he also asked what alternative methods of
engagement had been considered. Jano Goodchild responded that this
would be easier to assess when action plans and priorities had been
established as this would provide clarity on which groups were not
engaging. It would also be possible to bring in voluntary sector
organisations to assist with engagement. Phil Stevens commented
that, while it was possible in some cases to make adjustments that
were culturally appropriate or suitable in terms of venue, it was
necessary in the context of the deaf community to provide for their
access needs in order for them to be
able to engage. Natasha Benn added that going out into the
community and engaging through a personal approach was key to
engagement and understanding people’s needs. She felt that
the JPB had a wide reach already and they were attempting to
increase this, but the fact remained that they were stretched and
limited in terms of capacity. Sara Sutton commented that the
Council could assist by facilitating links to the existing
Community Networks. Cllr das Neves drew attention to the Community
Health Champions which were deeply embedded in local communities
and could be beneficial to the JPB engagement. Amanda Jacobs
emphasised the importance of meeting accessibility requirements and
reasonable adjustments, noting that BSL was a completely different
language to spoken and written English. She felt that there was a
lack of accessibility and inclusion expertise within the Council
and said that she had personally rewritten some documentation as
part of the work on the Transport Inclusion group even though this
was not the responsibility of a volunteer. Cllr Connor concluded by
emphasising the importance of enabling all groups to be able to
access the JPB and to contribute their opinions and expertise. She
suggested that this was an area that the Panel should receive an
update about as part of the next report.
(ACTION)
- Asked by Cllr Connor
what support the Council could provide to the JPB with online
communications, Jo Baty said that there was a named officer for
most of the reference groups but felt that this should be
formalised which should lead to a better resourced set of reference
groups. Sara Sutton added that it may be possible to use the
Council’s volunteering ‘time credit’ offer to
bring in more skills and resources for the JPB. Cllr Connor
commented that the establishment of a website was key and suggested
that this should be a key action to monitor going forward.
(ACTION) Amanda Jacobs emphasised the importance of
developing the website alongside an accessibility
guide.
- Asked by Cllr
O’Donovan about the number of reference groups, Natasha Benn
clarified that there was room for eight groups, with seven
currently active. She added that even this was not sufficient to be
truly representative but that it was important to adopt a practical
approach, for example by considering how to redefine or fit more
people into the existing reference groups. Cllr O’Donovan
suggested that one area to consider was how to ensure that voices
are passed up and heard for people who were unable to actually attend the meetings.
In closing the agenda item,
Cllr Connor thanked all those who had joined for their attendance,
reiterating the Panel’s ongoing support for engagement and
co-production. She looked forward to the next update report on how
the JPB was progressing.
Areas for the Panel to monitor
in future were:
- Efforts to encourage
statutory partners to be actively involved with the reference
groups including, health, public health, mental health and the
local authority.
- Wider partnership
opportunities around funding, including health
partners.
- Monitoring progress
towards outcomes.
- Enabling all groups
to be able to access the JPB and to contribute their opinions and
expertise.
- Establishment of a
JPB website.
- How the
Council’s volunteering offer could be used to bring in more
skills and resources for the JPB.